Re: [hylafax-users] new community site

[<scott@xxxxxxxxx>]

Just thought I would pass Glen's email along to the list so that others
(both sides?) can see his reply.
Personally, I think it is valid.


Original Message follows:

  I have to agree. I'm really getting tired of reading about this. I know
all about project politics, having many projects of my own to deal with. I
have to ask that you guys take it to an IRC debate or atleast over to a
devel list. You DO have one don't you? After all, this _is_ mostly about the
development/management of development of HylaFAX and not the usage. :P 

   The discussions I've seen so far have only cluttered the user list and I
for one don't really care about your arguments over who's going to control
what. I have to deal with that kind of stuff during my own day-to-day
dealings and I really don't want to read about yours on a supposed "help"
list.

Glen


> -----Original Message-----
> From: hylafax-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:hylafax-users-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Bishop - Personal
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:40 PM
> To: 'Lee Howard'; 'Darren Nickerson'
> Cc: hylafax-users@xxxxxxxxxxx; hylafax-devel@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [hylafax-users] new community site
> 
> I'm only a listener on this forum who is looking for tips and tricks and
> solutions on my HylaFAX product, so my comments may mean nothing to anyone
> but myself... and maybe not even much to me. ;)
> 
> I love HylaFAX as a product, but it seems that politics have taken over.
> In saying that I am not taking sides because I realize that there are
> always
> three sides to every story (yours, mine, and somewhere in the middle is
> the
> truth unmarred by our perceptions).
> Because I don't know the facts of all of this discussion, I'll refrain
> from
> even attempting to take sides.
> 
> I am however a user of a product that many people have helped with, had
> hands in, spent time on, etc.
> I enjoy that product.
> What I don't enjoy is the number of emails that I have received on a daily
> basis because of the political environment that has now crawled to the
> surface.
> 
> I know that both sides will feel justified in responding to me to either
> win
> me over to their side or to defend their position of why this topic has to
> go on for so long. May I be frank? I don't really care all that much, so
> I'm
> not going to spend much more time with it.
> 
> However, may I make a plea to both sides?
> Can this topic be discussed outside of this forum?
> Is that too much to ask now that it has gone back and forth for so long
> and
> no resolution seems to be forthcoming?
> I doubt that I speak only for myself; though my voice is the only one I
> would lay claim to.
> Yes, I know that this forum is intended for all things HylaFAX. And, you
> may
> decide that this includes all of this political crap along with all the
> other stuff. And, if you decide that then you won't get any argument from
> me. I'll simply unsubscribe to the list. No, I don't think this will hurt
> your feelings in the least. In the short-term it will only hurt me because
> I
> won't be able to see the other topics that go into this forum. In the
> long-term may I suggest that it, along with many others who may also be
> unsubscribing or considering it for their own reasons, may hurt HylaFAX
> after all only to the degree that we may find ourselves out looking for
> another solution.
> 
> Yes, I realize that all "companies" (feel free to include OSS development
> teams here) end up having political debates from time to time. I just
> don't
> happen to agree that one without a resolution should go on for so long to
> the detriment of what everyone else on this list is actually looking for.
> 
> So, there's my rant... if you choose to call it that... and my request to
> find a way to play nicely in the sandbox with everyone else or at least
> get
> out of the sandbox and have your fight behind the tree where no one else
> has
> to deal with it.
> 
> Flame on... I can take it... until I unsubscribe... then... well... flame
> on
> more I suppose.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> And, thank you to all who kindly deleted this email realizing that it
> wasn't
> intended for them anyway and was just one more email on this topic that
> they
> had to put up with.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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