Re: [hylafax-users] Hylafax RPMS for Fedora Core 3

[Lee Howard <faxguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Darren,

We had a talk, a long talk.  Among several other things, we discussed 
the advertising that has been going on inside of the RPMs distributed 
at hylafax.org.  Like many, I don't appreciate software that has "pop 
up advertising", and I didn't like seeing that happening with HylaFAX.

After the conversation was done, I had an understanding that iFAX would 
simply no longer be providing HylaFAX RPMs at hylafax.org (in lieu of 
putting them somewhere on ifax.com) because you wanted the advertising 
to be in them.  Now you say that I misrepresented that conclusion, and 
that I am trying to mislead people by saying so.

Once again you have shown how inadvertently easy it is to misunderstand 
you.  I'm confused by how sensitive you are to my four sentences which 
were made publicly in good faith, and yet you publish this rant in 
reply.  I'm not sure what kind of customers you expect to attract by 
doing this kind of thing.

Lee.


On 2005.02.04 08:39 Darren Nickerson wrote:
> Lee,
>
> Clearly you _do_ want to start the debate again, or you would not be 
> posting the comments you have been, causing people to wonder where 
> they're going to get their RPMs now.
>
> For the record, iFAX has no plans to discontinue maintaining RedHat 
> RPMs for HylaFAX. They were being compiled here yesterday, and will 
> be available for download shortly. We have a few new architectures 
> available and a tidied up naming scheme, along with some of the more 
> valuable patches since the 4.2.1 release was announced, so they 
> should be pretty useful.
>
> Your public postings are in no way a fair representation of our 
> private conversation. You objected to iFAX advertising our support 
> services in the RPMs that people download from ftp.hylafax.org. 
> Despite the fact that iFAX provides this FTP facility to the 
> community in the first place, I understood where you were coming 
> from, and decided to either:
>
> a) remove the advertising and keep the RPMs on hylafax.org
> b) provide an alternative download link that's not on ftp.hylafax.org 
> and keep the advertising in.
>
> There was no 'insisting' on keeping it. That's ridiculous.
>
> Time constraints and the rebuilding we had to do on essential 
> services recently has diverted attention from this matter, and so we 
> have simply removed the advertising from the RPMs for now. We don't 
> have time to open a discussion on binary package policy and/or 
> restrictions, reach concensus and then restructure the way packages 
> are, or are not organized on ftp.hylafax.org. We will do so, but not 
> for _this_ RPM release.
>
> I wish you'd stop posting divisive and misleading comments in public 
> forums.
>
> -Darren
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Howard" 
> <faxguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Chris Jones" <c.jones@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <hylafax-users@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [hylafax-users] Hylafax RPMS for Fedora Core 3
>
>
> > On 2005.02.04 01:46 Chris Jones wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 10:12 -0800, Lee Howard wrote:
> > > > I'm not sure if hylafax.org will be providing RPMs (or SRPMS) any
> > > > more.  There was some debate on that matter.
> > >
> > > Can I ask why not? It is fantastically useful :)
> >
> > I really don't want to start up the debate again.
> >
> > Some of us do not like the commercial advertising that is going on 
> > in them, and those that do the advertising insist on keeping it in.
> >
> > Lee.
> >
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